Campaign Update

Posted by National Defence Medal on September 9, 2015 at 6:35 AM Comments comments (178)

Link to 38% Campaign

Hi folks,

Padre asked about what was going on at the moment, as the entry is in the thread about 'Hacking', I though it best to reply with a fresh thread.

Currently the 38% Campaign stands at 4112.  It's therefore vital that all members keep spreading the word and encouraging people to sign up, it's simply not enought to have signed yourself, we need to get the message across to as many as possible, so please keep up the good work.  If we can raise this total to over 10,000 then the 30% campaign team may get behind the campaign and help it go national.

I believe around 12,000 signed up to a separate petition under the heading Waterloo Petition, which was started some time ago by Major (Ret’d) Fowler to rasie awareness and support for the NDM.  We should be able to draw on this support when the time is right.

The FOI complaint is on going but looks like it will be upheld so we await developments there, and this may yield a positive result in getting some answers to the last decision.

On the Media front several member will be taking part in a BBC Look North programme to put the case for the NDM across to the wider public.  More details when known.

If you are prepared to be interviewd locally then can I suggest you contact your local newspaper and offer to tell your story and help promote the campaign.  If you get a positive response then either myself, Tony or Paul will be happy to help supply the overview or any support you need.

It has been said before but it is worth repeating, the only way we will shift this Governments stance on the NDM is by massive public support and by shaming them into action.  At the moment as far as the Government are concerned they have dealt with the issue, it's our job to change that attitude.

We have had a number of new members join in the last month or two so I'd like to  take this opportunity to welcome them all along and hope they too will become actively involved in what will be a just but long and difficult struggle for recognition.


Msg from Joanna Lumley

Posted by National Defence Medal on August 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM Comments comments (22)

Brian Sheppard received the following from Miss Joanna Lumley.  Welcome support indeed.

Message from the 'Veterans Sweetheart' Sarah Dennis

Posted by National Defence Medal on July 3, 2015 at 3:20 AM Comments comments (27)

Message to the National Defence Medal Team from the “Veterans Sweetheart” Sarah Dennis:


Thank you for keeping me informed of the progress of the NDM Campaign.


I recently met a veteran and his wife - I was sitting behind them during a service at The National Arboretum, the President of the RBL was giving his speech and mentioned how pleased he was to see the Veterans sitting there wearing their 'medals' with pride. The Veteran turned to his wife and said 'They didn't give me one' my heart sank and I felt even more just how important the work you are doing is - to get the NDM implemented.


Please let your members know that I fully support the campaign to have the NDM instituted and I wish them well in their endeavors. If I can help in any way please let me know.



Please take a moment to visit Sarah's Website to see her wonderful work:

NDM turns to 38Degrees

Posted by National Defence Medal on June 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM Comments comments (95)

The campaign team have pushed ahead with the suggestion to re-engage with 38Degrees.

If the new petition goes well there is a chance it could be adopted for a National push.

We must make this decision an easy one by getting as many signatures, and as quickly as possible.

38 Degrees have an envious success record with National campaigns and can reach an audience we can only dream of.

But first we must once again do the hard leg work of getting the numbers up.  10,000 from us could be enough to get us National and then 100,000 signatures with National coverage could realistically follow.

Lets get to it:                   

Official Recognition for our Veterans

NDM Could Have Covered Ebola Efforts

Posted by National Defence Medal on February 6, 2015 at 8:25 AM Comments comments (217)

A letter sent today to my MP:


We have been told endless times that there is a long tradition of only issuing medals for campaigns or gallantry, this was restated in the HoC last week. We know that’s nonsense but that is what has been peddled. We now hear of a new medal for those fighting Ebola, a worthy and challenging endeavour, not a campaign though, so what kind of medal is it?


The NDM would have covered such efforts. The prime minister might as well said, all those involved in the ‘Cold War’ (1000+ killed on duty), Nuclear Test Veterans (100s suffered), 53 killed outside of Northern Ireland and 100’s maimed, Post Armistice Korea, those who supported the Yangtze incident, those who served less than 90 days in Cyprus, Post War Carnage in Europe and the Far East, Porton Down Test veterans, etc etc, well your efforts and sacrifice is not worth a jot.


Furthermore we were told that politicians do not make decisions on medals, so I quote the prime minister “I intend to recommend to Her Majesty the Queen the introduction of a new medal”


WE have been lied to and now made to feel undervalued and insulted. This is not a dig at those in Africa, this medal merely demonstrates what can be done with just a little good will, sadly we have been shown none.


If you look at the Australian or New Zealand medal system you would see that they have all these scenarios sewn up in a well thought out and fair way. Both systems we have long advocated for the UK to use as a paradigm.


All I can say is if ever a government wanted to rub salt in the wounds of thousands of veterans then this has done it. Let’s not forget that the way the Holmes review was handled in the later stages lacked any transparency and ultimately just created more mistrust and resentment, an absolute shambles with few willing to speak out.  All in all an absolute disgrace.



REFERENCE:  Hansard - Ebola


My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I am sure that everyone would like me to put on record my praise for those incredibly brave people who have worked in very difficult conditions, including over Christmas. They include doctors and nurses from our NHS and people from our armed forces, our civil service and non-governmental organisations. They are helping to save thousands of lives in Africa and protecting the UK from the potentially disastrous consequences of the disease spreading. In recognition of the bravery of those from the UK, I intend to recommend to Her Majesty the Queen the introduction of a new medal to pay tribute to their efforts. Details will be out in due course, and this should be in place by the summer. It is absolutely right to say that those people are incredibly brave and that we owe them an immense debt of gratitude.


Civil Servant: Govrnment will oppose NDM Bill

Posted by National Defence Medal on February 6, 2015 at 7:15 AM Comments comments (26)

Who is running this Country?

Mr Tilbrook informs an MP that the Government will oppose the NDM Bill:

Reply to Mr Tilbrook - Cabinet Office

Posted by National Defence Medal on January 24, 2015 at 6:05 PM Comments comments (41)


Richard Tilbrook

Head of the Honours and Appointments Secretariat

Ground Floor

1 Horse Guards Road

London SW1A 2HQ 22nd January 2015


Dear Richard,


Thank you for your letter dated 21st January. I really am most grateful for your reply together with your commitment to bring both yours and my recent letters to the attention of the HD Committee in respect of the medal review and in particular the National Defence Medal.


However, as you are aware our veterans have concerns about the diluted submission for the institution of the NDM that was presented to the HD Committee from which they have made their decision. This situation also appears to apply to numerous other submissions from medallic campaign groups such as the Korea Post Armistice veterans and the Cold War veterans.


Perhaps what is even more worrying is the following statement made by the HD Committee when considering the case for the NDM and being expressed by defence ministers in parliament and indeed yourself on behalf of the HD Committee in correspondence to MPs, veterans and members of the general public:


‘It would be against the tradition of the British medallic policy and, in particular, against the custom whereby medals are generally awarded to those who have participated in campaigns which have involved considerable risk and rigour.’



  • This is incorrect, British medallic policy includes four categories of medals available to the UK Armed Forces:
  • Medals for individual brave and meritorious service such as the Victoria Cross and Military Cross
  • Medals for specific operational campaigns such as Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan
  • Medals in recognition of periods of service in the Regular, Reserve and Cadet Forces
  • Medals in recognition of Service at specific times in Her Majesty’s reign, such as the Coronation, Silver, Golden and Diamond Jubilees for which the MoD are responsible for determining the criteria for the award to the Armed Forces in consultation with the HD Committee


The National Defence Medal would fit into either of the latter two categories without creating a precedent. This was highlighted in recommendation seven of Sir John Holmes Medal Review report dated July 2012 in which he wrote:

  • The idea of a National Defence Medal as recognition of service of whatever form is worthy of consideration but is in a separate category from military campaign medals and should be treated accordingly.

It would appear that this has not happened.


I fully respect your decision that you would not write to me again unless there is anything new or different to report, and as I said previously I am grateful for the way in which you have responded to me already. However, we now have a situation where not only does it look as though the HD Committee were asked to make a decision based on an extremely diluted case for the NDM but it also appears they had been incorrectly briefed in respect of British medallic policy for medallic recognition of our Armed Forces.


I now seek your support and that of the HD Committee in obtaining the Prime Minister’s approval and direction to reopen what has been an incomplete medal review and one which has not fulfilled his early wishes to ‘draw a line in the sand’ in this matter. We surely owe this to those who have served this Nation in the Armed Forces since the ending of World War Two.


I greatly appreciate the recent support you have given me


Yours with best wishes


More Inconsistencies from Government

Posted by National Defence Medal on January 24, 2015 at 5:45 AM Comments comments (8)

To: Colonel Terry Scriven                                                   21 January 2015


Thank you for your further letter of 30 December 2014.


I am not sure what more I can helpfully say. I think the best I can do is to bring your most recent letters, and mine, to the attention of HD Committee and to encourage a further discussion. But, as you will understand, I am not in a position to overturn its recommendation on the National Defence Medal. The Committee has not been persuaded that there is a case for an NDM at this time, noting that this would be against the tradition of British medallic policy and, in particular, against the custom whereby medals are generally awarded to those who have participated in campaigns which have involved considerable risk and rigour.


I hope you will not mind if I also say that I shall not write again unless there is anything new or different to report. Please do not interpret this as a lack of interest or disrespect: I fully appreciate the depth of feeling among veterans on this very important issue.


Richard Tilbrook


Cabinet Office

Head of the Honours and Appointments Secretariat

Ground Floor 1 Horse Guards Road London SW1A 2HQ

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Defence Minister Poorly Briefed on Medals

Posted by National Defence Medal on January 13, 2015 at 2:00 PM Comments comments (41)

National Defence Medal - Oral Answers to Questions — Defence (12-01-2015)


Anna Soubry (The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence; Broxtowe, Conservative)


I do not agree with my hon. Friend. Medals are for specific campaigns and acts of gallantry, and rightly so. In this instance, therefore, we will have to disagree.


Clearly she has no idea!!  Read full debate HERE

Letter From HD Committee & Reply

Posted by National Defence Medal on January 6, 2015 at 3:00 AM Comments comments (24)

We have had a letter from Richard Tilbrook to the Campaign Chairman trying to explain his/their position and decisions.   Click HERE to read it in full.


The reply is captured below:


Richard Tilbrook

Head of the Honours and Appointments Secretariat

Ground Floor

1 Horse Guards Road

London SW1A 2HQ                                                      30th December 2014


Dear Richard,


Thank you for your letter dated 22nd December. I am most grateful for your reply and I have asked, as you requested, that it appear on the National Defence Medal website alongside my letter to you dated 25 November. I am also placing a copy of this letter, which I again write on behalf of the Cold War veterans, the Korea post armistice veterans and National Service veterans, on the NDM website.


You are right, the content of the letters you have sent to a significant number of Members of Parliament and veterans have been disappointing however, I am sure they have not been interpreted as a lack of respect by you for those who have served. Our Nation and its interests have survived through the service given by people like your parents and it is people like those and many of their next of Kin that I have the honour to represent.



The Prime Minister promised he would address the inconsistency of medallic recognition; he promised greater openness and transparency in government; in rebuilding the Military Covenant he pledged he would review outstanding claims for medallic recognition and that this would ‘draw a line in the sand’. I am afraid that despite your reassurances in respect of transparency of the process and the detailed consideration given by the Honours and Decorations Committee to the institution of the National Defence Medal, the concerns of veterans have not been laid to rest.


I agree with you that Sir John Holmes’s review of military medals was the most far-reaching review of military medals for a generation. Indeed, it gave veterans great confidence that a ‘line in the sand’ would this time be drawn especially as it was to be carried out by independent reviewers. Sadly, Sir John, the Cabinet Office and the Honours and Decorations Committee have let the Prime Minister down, the Nation down and veterans down in the way the final stages of the review have been dealt with.


I am aware that Jon Thompson the MoD Permanent Secretary and Chairman of the Advisory Military Sub-Committee advised the HD Committee that the NDM was in a different category from campaign medals and needed broad political consideration. Yet this finding appears to have been ignored and on behalf of the Honours and Decorations Committee you indicate in your letter to me that unlike Australia or New Zealand, the UK only issue medals for campaigns. This is incorrect.


On behalf of veterans right across the country I ask you to explain how the HD committee were able to carefully and fully consider the merits of the National Defence Medal and decide that a strong enough case could not be made at this time if all they were presented with was what you have published? The ‘options paper’ containing the ‘issue and analysis’ which you claim is all that was produced just does not tally with Sir John’s previous findings and assessment, and certainly does not portray the extremely strong and evidence based case submitted by the NDM campaigners. Veterans from the other medallic campaigns are equally concerned about this situation. Why was there such a dilution of the facts presented to the Honours and Decorations Committee for their deliberations? This situation alone is considered justification for total public disclosure to be made of the deliberations by both the Advisory Military Sub-Committee to the HD Committee and the HD Committee. It is also considered justification for the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, who have both been fully involved in supporting the veterans in these medallic reviews, to direct the decisions made should be revisited.


Your office was very clear about the national significance of the NDM and process that should be followed when Gary Rogers wrote in a letter dated 19 May 2014:


“I can only repeat what Richard Tilbrook said and as Sir John noted in his report of July 2012 - the National Defence Medal is an issue of broad national significance which would require broad political and public consensus and the consideration of the government as a whole in consultation with other political parties and concerned organisations.”


In the absence of transparency and openness surrounding these final stages of the medal review I want to also touch on the likely costs the institution of a National Defence Medal has had on the decisions made. Funding retrospectively, a medal in recognition of over four million former service personnel who have sacrificed so much for their country, over the past 69 years, was always going to be a dilemma for the Government, especially with so many present day ‘asks’ of a reducing defence budget. This is a situation that has been highlighted in letters from both Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg and I know Nigel Farage is well aware of this although believes there are ways of dealing with such costs.


Sir Nick Harvey a former Armed Forces Minister in a letter to me recently, confirmed the cost of £300m+ in the medal review ‘Options Paper’ is an exaggeration. He places the costs at possibly £100m for production and distribution. I believe this figure is also prohibitive to the Government but is well able to be significantly reduced to an affordable figure. Estimates have been obtained from medal specialists, which assess the production of a cupro-nickel medal (38mm), ribbon and light cardboard box at less than £5.00. As the medal must be seen to be the award of Her Majesty on behalf of a grateful Nation it is the production cost of approximately £20m spread over 5 to 7 years that veterans would expect the Government to budget for. All other administrative and distribution costs would be privately funded through differing income generation streams.


So in summary where are we? As the Prime Minister nears the end of his tenure in office, the ‘most far-reaching review of medals in a generation’ which he was personally responsible for, is on the verge of being discredited unless something is quickly done to avoid this; I doubt he has been fully briefed on this situation. The costs for the institution of a UK National Defence Medal have been inflated for some unknown reason, and this issue should be speedily addressed. You have stated, on behalf of the Government, that there are no plans for further work on the issue of the NDM yet this is an issue of national significance and as a consequence there has recently been a ‘ten minute rule’ debate in parliament for the institution of the medal with its second reading scheduled for late February; in addition, an Early Day Motion was placed before Parliament on the 17 December by the Rt Hon Bill Cash and is attracting signatures from MPs of all parties.


I have to date been unable to secure a meeting with the Prime Minister but I will write again to seek such a meeting and request that the medal review is reopened. Although Nick Clegg has said he is too busy to personally meet with me he has arranged for me to meet two of his advisers early in the New Year to discuss my concerns. Perhaps you would now consider meeting with me, and possibly find it helpful, to discuss a way forward in achieving medallic recognition for our veterans or at the very least, how to explain fully why detailed submissions for medallic recognition, from so many campaign groups, were not seen by the Honours and Decorations Committee in their deliberations?


Yours with best wishes