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Commemorative Clarification

Posted by National Defence Medal on March 5, 2009 at 3:52 AM

In the Soldier Magazine – February 2009 Talk Back, there is a letter from an RBL member entitled “Commemorative Clarification”. The background:


He attended a Remembrance Day service in Bangkok, at which HRH Princess Alexandra, who showed a keen and knowledgeable interest in peoples medals, was in attendance. Also present at the Service were members of the Royal British Legion and Poppy Travel [a battlefield tour group from England]. The occasion became a catalyst for a number of comments from both Legion members and the Poppy Travel group about the U.K.’s medal policy. Among the medals discussed were the National Defence Medal, as proposed,  and a possible British Army of the Rhine (BAOR) Medal.


In the letter to Soldier Magazine, he asked a number of legitimate questions, two of which are highlighted below, together with the answer provided in a follow up response by Lt. Col. (Ret’d) Peter Lockyer. SO2. Medal Officer.


The Questions were:  


  • National Defence Medal. The Queen has approved an official medal for Australians, so why not us? Did somebody forget to ask her?


  • British Army of the Rhine (BAOR) Medal. Again the Queen has approved this medal for another nation (Canada), so doesn’t the same reasoning and policy apply to us?


The answer provided was:


  • There are no plans to institute a National Defence or BAOR medal.


What do you think about the answer? Does it, in your view, respond adequately to the questions posed or do you think it dismissive?


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Reply Madera
11:17 AM on March 5, 2009 
Obviously Mr Lockyer is far more important than the Queen. He says No plans, Her Majesty has already said YES.
Reply Virgin Soldier.
12:36 PM on March 5, 2009 
The response is both arrogant and dismissive. Such a terse response from this Half Colonel merely reflects adversely on himself. He needs to go on a management awareness course since his service career has not taught him good manners.
The officers who commanded me may have been thick but they were gentlemen.
'And I never made Lance Jack but I do know the Wykehamist motto.'
Reply RF
1:08 PM on March 5, 2009 
Dismissive, to say the least. If he were in court, counsel would demand that he answer the questions posed fully and not side step the issues.
Reply Serving Matelot.
1:19 PM on March 5, 2009 
Contempt is appropriate for this response.
Oggie Oggie Ogggie.
Reply Flyboy
3:32 PM on March 5, 2009 
Sir obviously enjoys life on the MoD gravy train, evasive and terse indeed. In the commercial world me thinks he may not survive....
I'm with Madera, OUR QUEEN SAYS YES!
Reply p.j.wilson
3:56 PM on March 5, 2009 
Reads as though the constant bombardment is making the Lt.Col (Retd.) somewhat shell shocked i.e. Short, ignorant answer , let's hope they are cracking !
Reply Old Sweat
8:35 PM on March 5, 2009 
These people have no minds of their own, they simply parrot the official line as handed down from the fount of all wisdom, so they are just spouting Coney baloney. This Coney person has worked it so that each and every contact, made on behalf of raising an NDM, or any other medal, makes its way to his desk. There he sits, quietly presiding over the demise of the British honours system. Happy to honour foreigners that made a sport out of crapping all over what the British were trying to do in Northern Ireland, while denying that honest and true Britishers have any right to what others veterans all around the world are getting. This mean spirited bunch of professional suck-holes need winkling out and putting out of our misery! They have no concept of honour at all, so they are totally misplaced in their present taskings!

Reply Tanker
8:46 PM on March 5, 2009 
tWhat price the relevance of this lot if we all bought and wore commemorative medals? What could they do to stop us? not a thing actually! So anytime we want to, we can give them a good old fashioned bitch slap and prove how little influence they have over our rights to show what we did and where. Serves the buggers right in my opinion.

By the way, the veterans badge and the commemorative QGJM medal were both approved by the Lord Chamberlains office, so that particular bling medal is just as relevant as the badge, much better looking though.

Reply Dave Kelley ex RAF Regiment
10:13 AM on March 7, 2009 
This responce is just crass, and justly shows the irritation that his maeeter is causing amonst chair borne warriors in whitehall, the fact that HM Queen Elizabeth II has already authorised a National Defence Medal to several Commomnwealth countries, and yet has not been asked to by her own government for those of her loyal servants who served during the Cold War, IRA terrorism and keeping the peace in West Germany on behalf of NATO and also Belize, Hong Kong etc, must seem I would submit a bit odd. Therefore perhaps we could also write to Her Majesty the Queen as well as to our MP's, I'm sure if she got thousands of letters asking why UK veterans are denied a medal she has authorised for Commonwealth veternas then maybe the politicians will finally get the message?
Reply [email protected]
11:24 AM on March 9, 2009 
What do you expect,they wont even let us wear the PJM awarded by the Malaysian Government and that was a proper campaign,over many years and we won it.
Reply Scribe.
12:44 PM on March 10, 2009 
Just curious I wonder what gongs the self important Lt. Colonel Retd. Peter Lockyer,
S02 Medals sports on his chest. One certainly must be the Grand Order of MoD Panjandrums.
Reply John Anderson
1:31 PM on March 28, 2009 
A man of few words! It must have taken him a very long time to think of that answer.

I for one am not prepared to accept this.

I think we can change his mind, chaps. Get writing !