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Cabinet Office Update (April 2014)

Posted by National Defence Medal on March 4, 2014 at 9:15 AM

We appreciate how frustrating the process must be but please be assured that Sir John Holmes and everyone else involved in the military medals review is working hard to bring the issues raised to a resolution.

 

 

As you know, HD Committee met in late January 2014 to discuss a number of proposals put forward by Sir John regarding the rules for awarding military medals. These covered the majority of the outstanding claims for medallic recognitions and the Committee’s recommendations have now received Royal approval in the usual way; a few claims require further work and an announcement will be made as soon as possible when the full set of reviews is complete and has been approved.

 

You must understand that many government departments have an interest in medals and need to be consulted. This is currently underway. No decisions have yet been made about what form such an announcement will take.

 

We hope this helps to clarify matters.

 

 

Cabinet Office

Honours and Appointments Secretariat

1 Horse Guards Road

London SW1A 2HQ

 

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217 Comments

Reply Paul Tofi
9:34 AM on March 4, 2014 
Thanks for the update, so, in reality, not much longer to wait given how long it has taken already. Lets hope that there is something medallic to approve.
Reply Padre
11:41 AM on March 4, 2014 
the next stage in the process is for HD Committee?s report to go forward for final approval

From whom ?
Dave or HM Queen ?
Reply 1 Cheshire (22nd of Foot)
1:16 PM on March 4, 2014 
" HD Committee report to go forward for final approval . "

So , does this mean that all the recommendations or non recommendations are approved before the announcement as to the outcome of the HD Committee is given to the public ?
Reply Ex Korea
1:21 PM on March 4, 2014 
It's like trying to read tea leaves.
Reply 1 Cheshire (22nd of Foot)
1:39 PM on March 4, 2014 
Ha ha ha ha ha exactly what I was thinking :)
Ex Korea says...
It's like trying to read tea leaves.
Reply Mo
3:29 PM on March 4, 2014 
I would like to thank Ian McVitie, for todays announcement from the Cabinet office, this man does not let them rest on their laurels, we should keep pushing all of our MP's.

We wish the best for us all.

Mo
Reply John Proffitt
12:28 AM on March 5, 2014 
'Institution of Medal'

The information I have received of how a medal is instituted in the United Kingdom, is what government agencies have made available to us to date.
These are as follows:-
"The policy and procedures that lead to the institution of a British award have been followed for many years, with only minor changes."
"There is no direct Ministerial involvement with the Honours and Decorations Committee as it reports directly to The Sovereign." "The Prime Minister's Personal Secretary (PMPS) is responsible for reporting of Prime Minister's matters." "Likewise, The Sovereigns Personal Secretary (SPS) represents The Royal Household." "The Sovereign can be advised of progress throughout all stages of the Honours and Decorations Committee's deliberations over medal proposals." "The Sovereign also maintains a keen interest in the work of the committee." "The case for each medal is considered on its own merits."

It may well mean the next stage in the process is now to go to The Sovereign for final approval.
Reply martin.keats@Sky.com
8:04 AM on March 5, 2014 
Are we assuming that the NDM was recommended by Sir John? Or recommended for discussion by Sir John?

Assuming it was the former and that going forward to HM The Queen is the next step then it would be reasonable to assume success as HM has already approved similar for the Aussies and Kiwis...

Tick Tock come on clock...
Reply Paul Tofi
10:54 AM on March 5, 2014 
I think approval in this case is just approval of the HD Committee's decisions and could be approving the turning down of all cases put forward. I don't think we can second guess anything at this stage. However, I very much hope we have good news at some point this year!
Reply martin.keats@Sky.com
11:23 AM on March 5, 2014 
Paul Tofi says...
I think approval in this case is just approval of the HD Committee's decisions and could be approving the turning down of all cases put forward. I don't think we can second guess anything at this stage. However, I very much hope we have good news at some point this year!



Feet replanted firmly on the deck... thanks Paul.
Reply Terry
3:25 AM on March 6, 2014 
I suppose the problems in the Ukraine will be used as another delaying tactic to make a announcement over the NDM!
Reply John Proffitt
1:51 PM on March 6, 2014 
Terence says...
I suppose the problems in the Ukraine will be used as another delaying tactic to make a announcement over the NDM!

Terence,
This could also be a great opportunity for UK to acknowledge all those who gave service in HM Armed Forces since 1945.
Reply Ian
3:13 AM on March 8, 2014 
I had another response to questions I asked on the 4th March, the Cabinet Office is below :

Dear Mr McVitie,

Thank you for your e-mail of 4 March. The stages that normally have to be followed are that following a meeting of HD Committee, minutes have to be agreed and a report is then submitted for formal approval.

Yours sincerely,

Cabinet Office
Honours and Appointments Secretariat
1 Horse Guards Road
London SW1A 2HQ

Another week has passed and another Prime Ministers Questions has gone by and I would have thought that the minutes and the report of the HD Committee meeting held at the end of January would have been compiled a couple of weeks after. We continue to wait.

All the best
Ian
Reply Ex Korea
11:37 AM on March 8, 2014 
Ian, do we know to whom the (final) report is submitted for "formal" approval? I do wish the secretariat could be precise when responding to legitimate questions.
Reply Ian
11:58 AM on March 8, 2014 
Ex Korea says...
Ian, do we know to whom the (final) report is submitted for "formal" approval? I do wish the secretariat could be precise when responding to legitimate questions.


As you know the corridors of power work in mysterious ways. I would hazard a guess and say the minutes and the report of the HD Committee will be passed to the Prime Minister for formal approval and then he will take it to Her Majesty for its final approval. The Cabinet Office are still unsure as to how they are going to announce it, it could be either by letter, phone, email or a formal announcement in the HOC. Lets hope any of the above are imminent.

Ian
Reply Brian
4:29 PM on March 8, 2014 
If the medal is approved by the committee surely it would also have to be approved by Parliament before it got to the queen
Reply Lilywhite
5:32 PM on March 8, 2014 
I'm agreeing with Ex Korea here, these responses are pathetically brief to the point they're almost deliberately rude. Anyone responding to these questions can surely see their responses are hugely inadequate as far as detail is concerned and do little more than add to our frustration. We're supposed to be prepared to die for these people and they can't even be bothered to write a few more sentences with some proper information for us. Thank God we're a Kingdom and not a republic!
Reply John Proffitt
4:04 AM on March 9, 2014 
Ex Korea says...
Ian, do we know to whom the (final) report is submitted for "formal" approval? I do wish the secretariat could be precise when responding to legitimate questions.

Yes, this does not appear helpful. It could be that the secretariat's priority list at this stage is to PM or The Sovereign. Maybe they are not in a position to formerly announce outcome until given the big OK. This makes every reply appear vague. I do believe it is appropriate in any official response for the secretary to clearly explain the process to avoid conjecture or a barrage of further enquiries.
Reply Ian
7:55 AM on March 9, 2014 
I have and so have others come to the conclusion that no amount of lobbying from us at this particular moment will hurry a decision.
From the answers given by the Cabinet Office it appears transparency in this regard is probably an unrealistic aspiration, and Sir Johns fears that a feeling of injustice will be reinforced by frustration at an apparent brick wall of " bureaucratic obstruction " has indeed come to pass. Like the Cabinet Office the medal review team are reluctant to give anything away which may incriminate them which in turn could possibly end up them being sent to the tower. They will announce (if at all) when they are good and ready and not before. We shall remain patient.

Ian
Reply David Jones
3:56 PM on March 10, 2014 
Sports men and women win a medal at the Olympics or other sporting events get MBE.s OBE,s in a matter of months why do all vets have to fight so hard and long for what they deserve.Ex W Guards.